Comments on: Making Money out of Free Anime? http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/ Yet another anime blog. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:17:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Omonomono » Legitimization of Your Fanboyish Behavior http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-1011 Omonomono » Legitimization of Your Fanboyish Behavior Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:27:14 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-1011 [...] to Avatar and others (and maybe over at CCB), I’ve managed to say more than what I originally did, and in the process came to realize [...] [...] to Avatar and others (and maybe over at CCB), I’ve managed to say more than what I originally did, and in the process came to realize [...]

]]> By: cardcaptor http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-986 cardcaptor Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:56:37 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-986 <p>Impz: True. I don't think a single or a few market strategy can be the panacea. But many of them, employed in parallel, might actually work. I think that buying DVDs is troublesome, but I'll go at length to get a dakimakura of some loli character I like. There's more than one way to get creators compensated while keeping downloads relatively free of regulations.</p> <p>If you're pushing for a particular ethics that fans should support those who make anime possible, then it's a different problem. Lessig pointed out that, while freeloading is wrong, laws that try to regulates it have many undesirable consequences and are costly to enforce. We have to think carefully whether the hand of law should enter this realm. But as things are, the fan community is doing its job spreading awareness of fan ethics. Many think that it's not effective. However, the solution to this perceived lack of effectiveness is probably not to resort to the law, but to campaign harder.</p> <p>Now, the most pitiful people in this whole debate are Japanese animators who toiled their days drawing key frames and in-betweens only to get not much more than working part-time at 7-11. I think buying DVDs alone is not the only way to help them. (I also think it's the slowest way.) It's the company that decide their salary. We can support their labor union. We can write letters to animation studios. We can refuse to buy DVDs of company that do not raise animator salary. Et cetera. Now, I have to admit that I'll not practice what I preach. But if there's somebody who leads the way, I'll follow suit.</p> <p>But, hey, all this evil is created by the scarcity of anime production right? Why don't we remove this scarcity? Why don't anime studios get together and fund academics who get their papers to SIGGRAPH (like <a href="http://www-ui.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~takeo/" rel="nofollow">this guy</a>) to create new technologies that make creating anime easier and more cost effective? If making anime is as easy as making music and live-action films, I think the whole dilemma would just go away.</p> Impz: True. I don’t think a single or a few market strategy can be the panacea. But many of them, employed in parallel, might actually work. I think that buying DVDs is troublesome, but I’ll go at length to get a dakimakura of some loli character I like. There’s more than one way to get creators compensated while keeping downloads relatively free of regulations.

If you’re pushing for a particular ethics that fans should support those who make anime possible, then it’s a different problem. Lessig pointed out that, while freeloading is wrong, laws that try to regulates it have many undesirable consequences and are costly to enforce. We have to think carefully whether the hand of law should enter this realm. But as things are, the fan community is doing its job spreading awareness of fan ethics. Many think that it’s not effective. However, the solution to this perceived lack of effectiveness is probably not to resort to the law, but to campaign harder.

Now, the most pitiful people in this whole debate are Japanese animators who toiled their days drawing key frames and in-betweens only to get not much more than working part-time at 7-11. I think buying DVDs alone is not the only way to help them. (I also think it’s the slowest way.) It’s the company that decide their salary. We can support their labor union. We can write letters to animation studios. We can refuse to buy DVDs of company that do not raise animator salary. Et cetera. Now, I have to admit that I’ll not practice what I preach. But if there’s somebody who leads the way, I’ll follow suit.

But, hey, all this evil is created by the scarcity of anime production right? Why don’t we remove this scarcity? Why don’t anime studios get together and fund academics who get their papers to SIGGRAPH (like this guy) to create new technologies that make creating anime easier and more cost effective? If making anime is as easy as making music and live-action films, I think the whole dilemma would just go away.

]]> By: omo http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-985 omo Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:04:35 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-985 And while Impz may be right about freeloaders, he's totally wrong about market strategies. Who gives a damn about freeloaders? If your anime is crappy enough that only 1 person wants to buy it, then you've got bigger problems. And while Impz may be right about freeloaders, he’s totally wrong about market strategies. Who gives a damn about freeloaders? If your anime is crappy enough that only 1 person wants to buy it, then you’ve got bigger problems.

]]> By: Impz http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-983 Impz Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:28:00 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-983 Honestly, no matter which market it goes to, I probably will say the same standard question. For 1 anime fan who is willing to pay for an episode, there are 100 anime fans who are simply freeloaders and refuse to spend any money on it. That is why few market strategies will hardly work. Honestly, no matter which market it goes to, I probably will say the same standard question. For 1 anime fan who is willing to pay for an episode, there are 100 anime fans who are simply freeloaders and refuse to spend any money on it. That is why few market strategies will hardly work.

]]> By: cardcaptor http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-982 cardcaptor Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:46:04 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-982 Oh... I think I blew it on myself. -_-' *Hide face in embarrasssment.* Oh… I think I blew it on myself. -_-’

*Hide face in embarrasssment.*

]]> By: omo http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-981 omo Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:34:12 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-981 "We may have to wait another ten years before we see people streaming movies to their iPhones." LOL, maybe we just have to wait another 16 hours. Go Go MacWorld. As to the original argument, I don't think most of us, even taking up opposite sides, disagree all that much. I feel that for the most part Avatar just got some stuff wrong in terms of his presumptions, and he's saying those things are the weakness of my argument. I just think there was a lot of misunderstanding about some fundamental stuff that never got flushed out. “We may have to wait another ten years before we see people streaming movies to their iPhones.”

LOL, maybe we just have to wait another 16 hours. Go Go MacWorld.

As to the original argument, I don’t think most of us, even taking up opposite sides, disagree all that much. I feel that for the most part Avatar just got some stuff wrong in terms of his presumptions, and he’s saying those things are the weakness of my argument. I just think there was a lot of misunderstanding about some fundamental stuff that never got flushed out.

]]> By: IKnight http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-980 IKnight Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:21:21 +0000 http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/2008/01/14/making-money-out-of-free-anime/#comment-980 I can't see the first solution happening in a world like the current one. An appropriate tax? This is the era of small government, whether we like it or not (I'm probably in the 'not' camp - but I'm not telling whether I want it bigger or smaller than small). And I'll believe the second one when I see it. Still, one lives in hope (among other things). I can’t see the first solution happening in a world like the current one. An appropriate tax? This is the era of small government, whether we like it or not (I’m probably in the ‘not’ camp - but I’m not telling whether I want it bigger or smaller than small).

And I’ll believe the second one when I see it.

Still, one lives in hope (among other things).

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